Is there such a thing as natural law? (General)
Wow. You still don't get it. What one should do is RELATIVE to what they WANT. If you want to live, then natural law requires that you eat because if you don't eat, you will not get what you want which is to live. If you want to DIE, then natural law requires you do other things.
Suppose what I want is sex, and so I rape the women that are attractive to me. This makes me happy. I am living in accord with natural law, am I not?
If there is a natural right that a person not be raped by another, then where does it come from? It can't come just from what you have said so far. There are going to have to be more conditions attached to it. For example, we might argue that by natural LAW a woman inhabits her own body, has her own wants and desires, and has the capacity to make her own decisions about whom to sleep with. We then can argue that IF everyone is to exercise these possibilities equally, then each must logically have a right to exclude others from forcefully intruding upon their bodies.
This describes what the right is and a source for it without saying that everyone ought to have that right.
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